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I received your booklet of essays on Cassavetes. Thank you!
I'm wondering if and when you'll be screening the first version of
Shadows at BU. Are you teaching this spring? I'll be there when you
On a strictly personal note, I'd like to offer my services if you
would consider a new idea: why not record your own commentaries for
each Cassavetes film and sell them on your website as CDs? Or
downloads? I'm no businessman as you know, but would offer you my
heart and soul to help you record, edit, and press the CDs.
As a man, you are the most impressive of many. I know soldiers,
survivors, quiet heroes, and fighters. You trump them all and I am
proud to have studied under you. No matter what Criterion does, every
one of us owes our appreciation for film art to you. Peter Becker can
fire you from a disc set, but he cannot snuff your influence on so
I came across your website last week and I've been
devouring it at a steady pace. You remind me a lot of the literary
Bloom-- knowledgable, controversial, and inspiring. I read his book
on Shakespeare and went back to Hamlet with a new slant on things, and
enjoyed it a great deal more. Reading your stuff about Cassavetes--
I have a friend who's going to lend me Cassavetes on Cassavetes-- has
me a new slant and I think I can enjoy his work a lot more than I did
when I first tried to watch it, back in High School. I was not ready
for it yet.
I'm a director myself, and I don't pretend that I'm any sort
of genius. I'm not going to create anything new, different, or revolutionary.
can tell stories and I can create characters. I've learned to be content
with that-- but I know that life doesn't have endings, except for death,
and then nothing is really resolved, is it?
I enjoy some of the work that
you dismiss as tricks-- Tarantino (though his contemporary Roger Avary
at least provokes SOME thought), DePalma,
and even Spike Jonze-- but I enjoy it for what it is, an aesthetic
experience with nothing deeper. Yes, it's manufactured, button-pushing
No, it doesn't challenge me. I value substance over style, but I still
like the style. To each their own.
The only two points that I really disagree
with you on, or take umbrage to, from what I've read so far, are as
First, Gena Rowlands,
Roger Ebert, Martin Scorsese all say Cassavetes makes his films about
love. I never really got that myself, and I agree
that films are never "about" anything. And, from what I remember--
there are certain images from Faces in particular that have stayed with
me after all this time-- it did seem to be "about" life and
people. But what I disagree with, intensely, is the idea that Rowlands
(who does seem a bit blonder than most), Ebert, and Scorsese are WRONG.
I don't think any response, emotional or intellectual, is the wrong response
to a work of art. Olivier thinks Hamlet is about "a man who couldn't
make up his mind"; Bloom thinks, more or less, that Hamlet is a
character in the wrong play. Neither one is wrong. Granted, there are
people who just don't get a particular work of art-- for example, I look
askance to anyone who says Straw Dogs is a facist film, or that it endorses
violence as a solution. In my opinion, they've misread the film completely.
But that's my opinion, just as it's their opinion that I've misread the
film completely. That's part of what makes it interesting.
The other thing
I disagree with you on is the proposal that for "arthouse" fare,
the ticket price goes up to forty or fifty or hundreds of dollars. Yes,
I do believe that film is an art, not just an entertainment. But it's
also the art that reaches the highest number of people, the masses. If
the arthouse stuff was forty bucks a pop, then it would cost me and my
wife eighty to see a Bergman or an Ozu or a Cassavetes. We don't go to
concerts or operas or sporting events (the last one we have no interest
in) because we can't afford it. We're lower middle class. To raise the
price is to deny the lower classes access to the art. In Shakespeare's
day, there were expensive seats for the upper classes and cheap seats,
or even standing room, for the lower classes. The reason why many (sadly)
see opera as an outdated, white European's art form is that it is unavailable
to the masses, except perhaps on video or compact disc, where it loses
all its power and glory. That's the only exposure I've had to it.
just as Hollywood high-jacked the independent label to include everything
from the new Star Wars prequels (which were, technically,
produced out of Lucas's own pocket, if you want to look at another definition
of the word) to Pulp Fiction and Shakespeare in Love, isn't there the
danger that they'll high-jack the arthouse or "prestige" ticket
prices? Tarantino's next flick would cost us fifty bucks a pop if the
idea catches on.
So, what is there to do? My films are low-budget and
character driven, shot on digital video-- I've been saving up for seven
years to buy that
camera. And now it's time to try to sell this one, while I'm making
the next one. And, if I do sell it-- and it has been and will continue
be a struggle-- how many tickets is it going to sell? Is it even going
to play in Michigan, which has been denied some of the arthouse stuff
because all we know how to do is eat, get fat, get drunk, start riots,
and make automobiles?
I don't think raising ticket prices is the answer.
I think the public needs to be educated. Which is what you're doing.
So, god bless you,
And thank you for your time. I have a tendency to get verbose
when I get going, and, well, I did. Sorry. Just wanted to offer some
while they were still bouncing about in my cranium.
Ray Carney replies:
Thanks for the thoughts. As to the arthouse tickets, you are being denied
these films right now. By the forces of commercialism in our culture.
You can't see them anywhere. Wouldn't it be worth it to pay a little
more and be able to see them?
The "everyone's entitled to their opinion" thing
is a mistake, but
an understandable one, since it is one that is very common.
There are right and wrong facts, opinions, views in film.
We accept this in other areas of life. A plumber can be wrong when
repairs your pipes. A mechanic can be wrong when
he diagnoses your car. A physicist can be wrong when he says nothing
can move faster than the speed of light. But somehow when we deal
with art we get all squishy soft and think everyone is entitled to
his or her
opinion. I'm ok, you're ok. Don't dare correct anyone. Don't say they're
That's just not correct.
teacher. If I didn't tell (or tactfully point out to) my students
when they were wrong, I'd be like all those other "that's an
interesting point of view" teachers. All the ones I wouldn't
trust to do my plumbing or car repairs. There are better and worse, truer
and falser, righter and wronger interpretations of films. Everyone is
not entitled to an opinion. Many opinions are shallow, uninformed, stupid,
Why do you want to live in an I'm OK, you're OK world?
Bin Laden has a point of view. The Israelis are not wrong to bomb
Palestinian children. North Korea is not wrong to sell nukes and rockets
to others. Let's not judge Bush on pushing them to do it. Wrong. False.
Uninformed. Why would film be the one area in all of life where everything
Where there are no wrong reactions?
But I have much more on this
in my writing. You can't go by the site.
It's just excerpts. Read my three books of interviews. (Click here to learn about them.) Read Cass on
Cass. Audiences were wrong about him. Critics were wrong. And
many still are!
following is wrong too. Movie stars should not have the power to
censor what I say or write. Gena Rowlands should not have the power to
make Criterion remove my work. And Criterion should not give in to her "movie
star" tantrums. People should have principles of action that
above these things. In other arts they do, but in film, celebrities—the
famous and powerful—still call the shots. This is immoral, unethical,
here for information about Gena Rowlands's legal attempt
to confiscate the first version of Shadows and her successful
pressure on Criterion to deny Prof. Carney credit as "scholarly
advisor" for which he devoted hundreds of hours of work on
the Cassavetes box set and eventually to have him removed from
the project when he didn't write and say what she wanted him to.
here for information about Rowands's
suppression of Prof. Carney's discovery of the long version of Faces for
three years. Why the Library of Congress did not screen it for
here for information about Prof. Carney's work on Charles Kiselyak's Constant
Forge and Prof. Carney's having his voice-over script material
used without payment or permission. Read also about how the film
itself was designed to please Rowlands and to sanitize the details
of Cassavetes' life and turn it into a string of funny anecdotes.
Sorry it took so long to respond. I've been offline the last couple weeks--pesky
I never meant to imply that I perfer a "I'm okay, you're okay" world,
or a teacher that just nods and says, that's very interesting. Milquetoast
academics, while amusing as caricatures, are seldom even serviceable
in actuality. But I also have had my fair share of teachers who simply
rely on lecture.
To illustrate: I had a history teacher who was teaching us about the
assassination of Garfield. We covered it in about two minutes, something
along the lines of, Charles Guiteau shot him, said, I am a stalwart,
Garfield dies a month later, everyone's sad, it's a political killing.
I had a different opinion: Guiteau was a nut! He was delusional madman
and religious cultist with several wives. He thought Garfield had promised
him an office when the two men had hardly even met. The gun he bought
to do the deed was purchased with the most ornate handle possible-- because
he wanted it to look good in a museum! While on death row, he composed
songs, among which was the following toe-tapping ditty:
My name is Charles Guiteau
And that fact I'll not deny
For the death of James A. Garfield
I am condemned to die.
But the teacher dismissed this. It was a political killing. End of story.
I'm not suggesting that your classroom is like that, because I've never
sat in it. From what I've read, you're a much more intelligent man than
that teacher was. He was the same sort who, if he taught a film class,
would lecture us on the meaning of camera angles in Citizen Kane and
the gold standard allegory at work in The Wizard of Oz, instead of discussing
I had another teacher with whom I had a difference of opinion, about
Salinger. I presented my argument, he presented his, and everybody got
into the discussion. In the end, he convinced me of things I had missed--
and I came away with a deeper understanding of the work.
But it wasn't simply kowtowing. I am a liberal and a democrat. I work
with Republicans. Occassionally, there are sparks. I don't say, well,
you're entitled to your opinion. I express mine, try to point out what
I feel is the error of their ways. But I don't just dismiss them, either.
I don't say, well, you're an idiot and a crusty old white man, I don't
have time for you. It's like Jehovah's Witnesses. It's no good to shut
the door in their face. You have to reason with them, discuss, argue.
That was the kind of classroom I always enjoyed being in; one in which
students and teachers discussed, argued, debated the various points and
merits. A final decision was never reached, but who wants a final word
on art? If there was such a thing as a final word on an experience, what
would be the point in experiencing it again? That's why I have a problem,
just like you do, with people who intellectualize art, take it away from
the arena of experience, of emotion, or even thought. Because thought
and intellect are two different things.
When I said that any experience or reaction is a valid one, it's not
saying that all should be equally respected. There are people who think "American
Pie" is an elegy for Buddy Holly and a time long past; and then
there's that nut who thinks it's a post-Apocalyptic prophecy. I have
no respect for that opinion. I think it's sublime in its complete and
utter lack of understanding, as well as its obsessive pretension. But
rather than just dismiss it, saying it's not a valid response, I would
ask the guy why he feels that way, what his evidence is, and then present
my case. It's discussion, and that's something you can do with art that
you can't do with most other things, and that's simply beause it's a
In the letter you wrote me back, you brought up the example of a plumber
or mechanic, and asked why we get so "squishy-soft" (a marvelously
evocative word combination, by the way) when it comes to art. Plumbing
or car repair are objective, like math: two plus two equals four and
cannot equal five. It only requires skill and training. Art requires
both of those for a full appreciation, but it also requires thought (otherwise
you get children with responses learned by rote, like in Taliban schools).
It is a subjective experience, like eating, or riding a rollercoaster,
or sex. Some people who ride rollercoasters think it's fun, some think
it's scary, some get naseous from it, some think it's insane. I might
not be able to comprehend the other opinions, always been fun for me,
but they are valid responses to a subjective experience. Or, my other
example, sex: when it comes to head, I think it's better to give than
recieve; my wife feels the opposite. Neither one of us is right; it's
subjective. Some feel vanilla ice cream is better, others perfer chocolate.
It's the same with art.
Take your own first experience(s) with Cassavetes and FACES. There are
people who, first time around, probably fell in love with it. And then
there are others who fought it tooth and nail, as you've said you did.
And there are others who dismiss it out of hand. I think all these responses
are valid. I don't agree with the last one, and you're right, they are
films that need a second and third and fourth look to really grasp it,
and then can you really grasp something that's experienced and immediate?
But I would discuss it with those dismissers, try to get them to take
that second look. I might not have any respect for their opinions, but
I don't dismiss them out of hand as it takes me down to their level.
And I'm not saying that that's what you do. If anyone fights for Cassavetes's
work in particular and challenging films in general, it's you. This e-mail
is not meant to be inflammatory, snide, or an attack. I'm just clarifying
something I said earlier, and offering further thoughts on the matter.
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read it.
A wonderful, thoughtful, deep letter in reply to mine. Thanks!
basically agree, with a quibble or two. First nothing is objective
the way you think. A car mechanic, a plumber is just as creative as a
filmmaker or critic. MORE creative than most critics I know!
|In all of this vastness, we are one of only 27,000 (according to the Verdants). Oh, miracle of miracles. One bright pearl. Rejoice at the good fortune. And work for change.
it all comes down to the intelligence/creativity/truth value of
the creative response. Some mechanics are geniuses, some dolts.
(Read John Dewey on the deprecation of the manual in our culture
to get a perspective on this.) Some professors similarly. The
situation you describe in class is that some professors/critics have
one narrow "solution" to a work: a particular brand of ideological,
psychological, moral, sociological reading. They are like a plumber
or mechanic with only one tool and one method: tighten that joint,
that pipe! They are the dolts. Other professors/critics are Jack be
nimble, Jack be quick. They can handle any candlestick in a
thousand fresh, creative ways. They are the ones we both like. But
what they are doing is not "subjective" in the sense of being
personal, private, non-communicable, unreliable for others. They are
finding the true, correct, interesting, valuable ways of dealing with
art work at hand. Just like the plumber or mechanic are in their
fields. The fact that there are zillions of possilble "right" responses
doesn't make them any more "subjective." Just as the fact that
are zillions of possible "wrong" responses doesn't make them
But perhaps the terms are throwing us. I'd just boil it down by saying that there are better and worse "readings" and "interpretations." Every response is not equal, no matter how many people "feel it" or "think it." The whole audience can be wrong about Carl Dreyer's Gertrud. Just like most of America can be wrong about American foreign policy. The whole world can be wrong about a work of art. And often has been. Artistic appreciation is affected by fads, fashions, and style systems just like everything else. Why would it be different? The work of Mozart or J.S. Bach or Rembrandt can be in fashion one day and out of fashion the next. Geniuses (like Emily Dickinson and Herman Melville) can be neglected in their own time and discovered by later generations. Artists (like Robert Frost or John Singer Sargent) can be misunderstood even by people who appreciate their work. Robert Bresson's Lancelot of the Lake can seem comical to viewers who have been trained by watching Monty Python and Quentin Tarantino and silly-ass comedy. Audiences are often wrong, and almost always superficial. Go to the ballet any night of the week and look around you. Go to the museum and listen to the stupid things people say about the paintings they are looking at.
On the other hand, one really perceptive person at the head of a class or sitting in the back of the theater can see the true things that no one else sees, that no one in an entire generation can see. That what it is to be intelligent and aware and open. Some people are like that, just as many other people are the opposite of it. But it's rare. That's what a teacher is supposed to be, of course, but isn't always -- someone who has broken out of the shackles that limit the vision of most other people.Someone not trapped in the present and the way things are. Someone who sees a little further than the average Joe. Someone who has gone up to the mountain top to meditate and come back down to make a report to the rest of us. The teacher and his or her teaching can take different forms. They don't have to be in a university or a classroom. They can teach like Buddha or Jesus, teach like Harry Wu, Paul Berg, Jeffrey Sachs, Robert Hawke, Jimmy Carter, Bono, Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu, the Dalai Lama, or Phillip Krapf, teach like Charlotte Beck, Steve Hagen, or John Daido Loori, or teach like Whitley Strieber, John Cassavetes, or Andrei Tarkovsky.
A great visionary teacher, a teacher of this sort, is hard to find. You may have to travel the world (imaginatively I mean) to find the teacher you need and can benefit from. And once you do, you have to put your life (intellectually and emotionally) into his or her hands. You have to throw yourself in the dirt in front of him or her. Humble yourself. Abase yourself. Let go of your old ways of knowing. He or she is the master of the key. He or she has been to other planets, talked with extraterrestrials, and come back from the other side of the moon to give you a new perspective on the earth's ways of being, to offer new visions of possibility, new forms of knowing and feeling that can change everything. But we must learn how to recognize these teachers and these truths. The world is full of scoffers and mockers and know-it-alls. The world is full of fakes and imitations and cheap knock-offs. The good teachers are never on the cover of Time. Even Jesus found only twelve rather ordinary--and quite skeptical--students interested in listening to the new ways of thinking and feeling he offered. We don't want to miss the next--or the current--Jesus. So we must search and when we find something promising, must humble ourselves and put our old ways of knowing aside.The truth--beyond our culture's and our planet's limiting forms of understanding (oh, how foolish, how limited, how petty so much of the earth's ways of knowing are)--is out there to be discovered, studied, and made our own. And in many cases we can find it on our own without needing a personal teacher. Those truths, the ones we come to on our own, are of course the highest ones and should be honored above all others. But be prepared to be in a tiny minority. Be prepared to be criticized for being different. That's the situation of all deep insight, all real morality, on our petty planet.
P.S. The true things are always disputed, doubted, and puzzled over when expressed. The most radical truths must always be expressed secretly, cryptically, obliquely. They must be sneaked past our conscious minds. To paraphrase Emily Dickinson, the truth must be told "slant." That's what the above reply attempts to do. If you want to read more on this subject see Matthew 13: 34: "Jesus told the crowds all these things in parables; without a parable he told them nothing." And read all of Matthew 13 while you're at it. Heck, while you've got your Bible out, read Mark 4 too! Some good stuff in both places. Not a bad book to ponder. Matthew was the first critic. "Yea, though we see through a glass darkly......" And Plato's cave the first art film theater.
Subject: Shadows Screenings and All Around Congratulations and Thanks
Dear Professor Carney,
Just got the Criterion box
set only to learn via your website what it Could
have been. What a terrible shame.
I and some of my Cassavetes-loving
friends live in New York City, but would
be on the first train, plane or automobile up to Boston if we thought
might get to sit in on a screening of the original 'Shadows' cut. Is
even a remote possibility?
Anyway, I can't thank you
enough, one JC fan to another, for all of your
tireless dedication to properly preserving and documenting the man's
It was shocking to read your account of how much trouble GR has caused
i suppose an old woman is entitled to remembering things her way, but
to destroy a man's work just because it doesn't jibe with her rendition
the Way things Were, well that's just unsettling. Please keep fighting
good fight, and if you're ever in New York for a JC event, I hope that
you'll add my email address to any event update lists so that I might
thank you and keep the faith!
Ray Carney replies:
Thanks, Tim for the good words and kind thoughts.
would be bad enough if this were merely a "difference of opinion," but "the
widow" is costing me tens of thousands of dollars defending myself
from her lawyer (and the print of Sh. from destruction). As a millionaire,
she can afford it. Probably doesn't even notice it. It's different at
this end. I'm a low-paid academic, unfortunately. But I will NEVER turn
over the print for her to suppress or destroy it! Never. I don't care
what the cost or effort. This is about art, not cost-benefit analysis.
it's more than a matter of "hurt feelings." It's more than "upsetting." It's
more than "an old woman remembering things her way." She is
playing Gloria. Norma Desmond. Hardball. Shoot to kill. Not a metaphor
But to quote Zelmo: I go on. I go on. Trying to tell the truth in our
culture of unreality.
Try to make some trouble. It's the only way to go!
P.S. For what it's worth, click here to view three brief video clips from the first version of Shadows.
Subject: Cassavetes box set woes (Charles Kiselyak's Puffed-Up Puffery)
Hey there. I just wanted to
say hello and let you know that I really appreciate the candor on your
Cassavetes web site. I have been a big
his films since seeing Shadows in college and a fan of your work since
was introduced to me by my colleague Ted Baron a few years ago (he took
down into the basement of the Coolidge Corner Theatre where I devoured
press kits and stills for the touring retrospective, which came to the
theatre just a couple of years before I moved to Boston).
I was really pleased to see
that Criterion was releasing the new box set -
finally replacing some of my well-worn Anchor Bay videos - and rushed
order one. The first thing I did was put in A Constant Forge, excitedly
looking forward to seeing a three-plus hour documentary on such an
extraordinary talent and interesting man. I have never spent a more
excruciating three hours in my life.
How could a film about a man
who pursued artistic truth be such a false piece of fluff? Not a single
thing in that film rang true to me, perhaps
because I had read your book and knew the true stories - but I think
more than that, and hope that others can see the flaw in this
over-sentimental piece of crap (pardon my crudeness).
While is was nice to see some
interviews with Cassavetes collaborators and
companions, those that were interviewed just didn't seem to ring true
Peter Falk was good, but he has that delivery style you just can't resist)
especially Gena Rowlands who I felt didn't really say anything, and in
came off a little cold and disinterested in his work. I know there is
amazing footage of Cassavetes out there - old interviews, the infamous
Cavett show, etc. But this film contained nothing but obvious clips,
considerable lapses at that. Where was Minnie and Moskowitz, Husbands (my
personal favorite), Mikey and Nicky (or an interview with Elaine May
that matter), Gloria, or any scenes from his acting roles in other films?
And what in the heck did those lousy poems have to do with anything?
three they pulled out a few little gems (like the lyrics to "Almost" -
I didn't know he did), but they felt so heavy-handed and obvious that
loathing for the film only grew.
Anyway, I liked the interview
segments with you (unlike Annette Insdorf, whom my roommate and I hissed
for being completely pretentious) and went
your website afterwards since I hadn't visited it in a while. Boy, did
description of the film (especially the horrifying description of the
filmmaker who knew nothing about his subject), the box set, and the
suppression of your work by Rowlands explain a lot. I wish I'd read that
before I popped that DVD in my machine and ruined my evening (though,
still would have jumped on the box set because...you know). I haven't
watched the rest of the box set yet, but I think I'm going to stick mostly
to the movies themselves and avoid any more disappointing supplements.
Anyway, I just wanted to say
thanks for all your hard work spreading the
word of Cassavetes to young pups like me - and here's hoping that someday
you get to be the person in charge of making a REAL documentary about
most original, honest, and fascinating son-of-a-bitch that ever picked
camera. Well, my favorite one, at least.
Program Director, Coolidge Corner Theatre
PS - A few years ago
we did a special BFVF screening of Shadows with Lelia
Goldoni and yourself. I was unfortunately out of town that day (I think
was at the Sundance Film Festival). Needless to say, I was deeply
disappointed to miss that event.
Ray Carney replies:
for the kind words. May we meet some day. Boston is a big town, but
not that big. Too bad
you missed the event I held at
Harvard three or four years ago. (I guess you hadn't arrived at that
point.) I showed a ton of unknown, unavailable, amazing stuff:
Cassavetes working with actors, Cassavetes talking about his work,
the Dick Cavett wildness, the unavailable Flip Side (one
greatest dramatic performances--which I think I am the only person
in the world to have a copy of), and other things he himself
personally gave me. What larks! But I have to admit my event ran as
long as the Kiselyak film. It was almost four hours. But I think you
would have enjoyed it.
Anyway, keep kicking. Keep acting up. Keep the faith. The world
P.S. Ever shown Andrew Bujalski's
or David Barker's work at the Coolidge? You should. The young Cassaveteses
are out there still making films,
still being overlooked, while the media chase after the next stupid silly
Dear Pr. Carney,
I'm a mathematics and film-obsessed student at Brown who is dying to
come to Boston and see your newly discovered print of Shadows! The syllabi
on your website had no future showings listed, but I will come to Boston
in a heartbeat to see any other showing in the next 6 months (hopefully
sooner.) Please let me know when I can see it. Thank you so much for
Hello Ray Carney,
My name is Jane Spencer, I
wanted to thank you for
bringing notice to my film, LITTLE NOISES, and let you
know I have been working in Europe, am about to do a
film this spring called BOB'S NOT GAY, and another
called THE RED WEATHER is in development. Hollywood
was a very difficult place for me, and Europe is
actually quite good to independent filmmakers, I find.
At any rate, I just wanted
to say I also read your thoughts and theories on film and was most
and moved that someone was writing these things, and
calling attention to John Cassavetes, whom I have deep
admiration for, and Tarkovsky and all of the films
that have been so moving and should be seen - it is
great that you are calling attention to them (I am not
including mine in such a group, but thank you for
mentioning it as well! I was very moved that you did).
Also, ironically, I wrote
and directed a really low budget film while in L.A. called FACES ON
MARS, that I
am now preparing for distribution screenings, but in
it was an actor who had worked as a child, with
Cassavetes on a play and is close friends with Gena
Rowlands, named Riley Novak, but I believe his real
name is Lindsay Bishop. He is the lead in my film
FACES ON MARS. At any rate, having always loved
Cassavetes' work I surprised to be working with this
young actor who had known him.
He's a very good actor, by
the way, but is now serving in the Army in Iraq...strange world.
Anyway, I found your email
on imdb regarding Cassavetes and wanted to contact you and say thanks.
My best to you and keep doing what you do,
Ray Carney replies:
Thanks Jane, for the kind
words. When the words come from an artist, they count double. Thank
I'd love to see anything you could show me or at least have notices
about local screenings.
"Hollywood is a difficult place" is
the understatement of the century. A little like saying it's a bit
warm in Hell.
wish you all the best of luck and happiness. Fortunately, or unfortunately,
it's not about money or fame, but about enjoying what we do, learning
something and—if we're really lucky—giving
a little more love and kindness and intelligence to the planet before
we shuffle off.
Keep going. It matters!
Hello Professor Carney,
About two years ago I emailed
you to thank you for the work you have done on the behalf of moviemakers
seeking an alternative mode of
expression, a cinema that aspires to do more than make money at the box
office. I was happy to receive an email back from you. Thank you,
again. The temptation of making "quality" cinema, and conforming
mode of expression, is always tempting for us moviemakers. We want our
cinema to be seen and we enjoy sharing our work with others. Creating
something "alternative" makes it more difficult, but we have
satisfaction of having created something that rejects paradigm. Having
recently finished a documentary regarding homelessness, freedom, and
America, called Out of the Cage, I'm in the process of sending it to
festivals and markets. However, the documentary does not feel, smell,
taste like "quality" cinema - therefore it has been rejected
- so far -
by AFI. It is a documentary that attempts to remove "effect" from
narrative. I did not want to create a "fantastic" narrative
perspective but from theirs, the subjects of the project. I wanted to
feature their stories not my "moviemaking." As much as it is
my objective was to let things be, to let the glorious people tell
their stories from their perspective, allowing and giving them their
right to tell their stories (or at least the stories they wanted to
tell), and be represented (as much as possible) from their viewpoint.
Reading your work continues
to give me power to make cinema that reflects my predilection as a
With every work of
cinema I make, I return to Andre Bazin's wonderful question, "Que-est-ce que le cinema?"
... and I can happily reply, "Je
ne sais pas - mais je suis en train
Merci, M. Carney, pour les mots.
Thank you again for your words and my warmest regards,
Matthew Marchisano, Artistic Director
The MD Marchisano Cinema Ensemble
Ray Carney replies:
We're all on that same path. We're all searchers. We're all explorers.
for your beautiful letter. These AFI types need to go into a museum
and look at some modern
art. They are still living back in
the Renaissance imaginatively—judging
work by the number of "glazes" applied, the polish and flair of the technique. Duchamp,
Dubuffet, Pollock, and a thousand other painters and sculptors showed
possibility of "rough beauty" more than fifty years ago. Degas
showed the complexity of "partial perspectives" more than a
century ago. But the AFI types are still looking for picture postcard
prettiness! Such is the sway of Hollywood. And it's everywhere.
The production teachers in my own department still "grade" films
on the basis of which is the "best" lighted or focused or framed.
As if such things mattered. The Famous Artists School of Drawing. They're
all slow learners with grade school conceptions of art and philistine
values. Well, what else is new?
But fare forward, fare onward, voyager.
To: Professor Ray Carney
From: J. Hayes
Subject: MFA Film Studies
I have been following your writings for several years now and I have
become very interested in the graduate Film Studies program at Boston
University as a result.
I am a graduate of San Diego State University; with a BA in Communication
and a Single Subject Teaching Credential in English. I have been teaching
at the high school level for several years now, but have decided to leave
secondary teaching in order to pursue the teaching of film history/aesthetics/criticism
at the university level.
I had the good fortune of
studying under Greg Kahn, professor of film studies at SDSU, as well
as becoming a veracious student of Duncan Shepherd’s
criticism (San Diego Reader).
It is not realistic for me to apply to BU because of financial reasons
unless I could work as a Graduate Assistant while attending the MFA Film
Studies; is this a possibility? Would being a Graduate Assistant significantly
lower my tuition fees?
Again, I have greatly appreciated your insights into film (as-an-art-form)
and even if I do not attend BU, it has been a real pleasure to discover
your film/literature insights and recommendations.
Ray Carney replies:
Thanks for the good words. But unfortunately Boston U. doesn't provide
a way to do it for free or even close. It's one of my struggles with
the school, since a few other schools make this possible, but it's a
private university and a pretty expensive place to attend.
On the other hand, I'm not sure you really need it. Why not teach yourself
what you need to know? That's what most of the great critics and artists
have done anyway. Mark Rappaport didn't go to film school. Robert Kramer
didn't go to film school. Cassavetes didn't go to film school. Many of
the best critics of the past (like Henry James and D.H. Lawrence and
Emerson) never took degrees at a university in criticism. All you need
to do to join their ranks is study the masters of art and criticism.
Most universities are a waste of time anyway. You're studying with people
who aren't smart enough and don't see far enough. The artists are the
true teachers. And a very few critics out there. That means that the
way to do it is to look again and again at great films and to read great
criticism (darn little of that in film, but some good stuff in many other
arts that can show you how to do it in film).
most important of all: Write! It's not enough to think. You have
to do something with your ideas. Consciousness cannot precede expression.
Take notes about films and other art you encounter. And struggle to
put your thoughts into sentences and paragraphs. That is key. The struggle
for verbal consciousness. Read the letter I write to entering grad
students. I have it posted on the About RC:
Boston U. pages. I say
more or less the same thing to them, you'll see. It's the only way
really to learn. And you don't get it in classes.
But please don't confine yourself to my site. The site only has the least
little bit of my work. Read the books and collections of interviews,
essays, and lectures. You can become a critic on your own. And God
knows we need more good ones!
All best wishes.
Dear Professor Carney,
I was an avid filmgoer when I was younger, and was an avid fan of the
work of John Cassavetes. I can remember seeing his film FACES and being
just thrilled by it. I would be thrilled to see an alternate version
of this work, but what I cannot understand is : if this is in your
opinion the version of the movie that John Cassavetes felt was the
final version of his work, why did he not release it rather than the
version that was released? Mr Cassavetes was after all still alive
and would remain so long after the release of this film.
It is unfortunate that Ms. Rowlands does not see how significant the
study of alternate versions of filmmakers works are to the understanding
of the filmmakers' intentions.
Ray Carney replies:
to meet you! Your first paragraph is based on a mistaken conclusion.
I am not saying that Cassavetes did not change Faces (or Shadows for
that matter). I am not saying that one version of either film is
better or worse than the other. That is not the central issue.
What I am fighting for is preserving ALL of Cassavetes' versions
of his various films. It is important that they are not destroyed
or suppressed by others in a misguided attempt to present only
one "right" version. We don't throw out the Quartos of
Shakespeare (or suppress them) just because we have the Folio edition.
We don't throw out Leonardo's notebooks just because we have his
paintings. We don't suppress Henry James's earlier editions just
because we have the New York edition of his work. We cherish, we
preserve, we make available all of those variants, because of what
they can tell us about the artist's mind and heart, his or her
changing goals and intentions, his or her revisionary impulses.
To change the metaphor, we may be adults but we can still learn
from things we did and made in our childhood. Life changes. We
have to honor the changes, not deny them or suppress them. Cassavetes
himself knew this. In his lifetime he released multiple versions
of his work. He knew his feelings and understandings changed. He
understood what I am talking about.
your letter prompts me to focus on a common misunderstanding that has
grown up about Shadows in particular, which I fear you with
your talk about "suppression" have fallen victim to. Cassavetes
did not suppress the first version of Shadows.
At some point, he just lost it and it dropped out of circulation!
not opposed to it being screened and seen. (In fact, he screened
the first version even after the second version was complete.
Yes. He continued to screen the first version! I have lots of information
about that too.) To get the correct information, please see the
following answer to several queries I have received. It is immediately
below this on this page.
there's a larger point here: You are depending too much on gossip
or conjecture for
your information. You really should try to track
down the facts before you jump to conclusions. (Just like Al and Gena
should!) I suspect you read something on a web site that made you feel
Cassavetes had "suppressed" the first version. It's just
not true. Be careful about that! I'd recommend that you read my Cassavetes
on Cassavetes and Shadows books. They have the facts. The
truth. Read books! Not web sites. Most of the internet is junk—stupid,
superficial, wrong. Go to libraries and bookstores. Anything good makes
its way into a book! Read my books, not my web site!!!!! : )
As far as the second paragraph goes, I couldn't agree more! But Gena
is completely clueless in this respect. Completely. I got nowhere when
I made that argument. And believe me, I made it and made it and made
it and made it and made it .....
Ray Carney, Prof. of Film and American Studies
WAS CASSAVETES' FEELING ABOUT SCREENINGS OF THE FIRST VERSION
Gena Rowlands's and Al Ruban's basic position about the first
version of Shadows is that Cassavetes never wanted it
to be shown, several people have written me to ask the source
the statement that I quote at the head of the following page
on the site.
The text they are asking about reads:
a lot of film buffs heard about the two versions of Shadows so
they said, 'We want to see the first version, which was the
great version of Shadows!' .... So we showed that first
version of Shadows and they championed it. They thought
it was great.... That other version exists and ... is allowed
shown at any
time...." —John Cassavetes in an interview with Andre
Labarthe, when he was asked whether he didn't want people to
see the earlier
version of Shadows or had suppressed the print of it.
Rowlands's whole position is that she is honoring JC's
wishes by not
the first version, and that I "have failed
to respect John Cassavetes' wishes." Peter Becker's email
firing me uses these exact words and says that that is why
Rowlands insisted I be fired. Well, the Labarthe interview
quote is one refutation of that, but I want to emphasize that
statement to Labarthe is not mere verbiage or empty talk. It's
a little known fact, but a fact nonetheless that Cassavetes
actually did conduct screenings of the first version of Shadows even
after he had finished and screened the second version. I have
in my possession detailed information about regular
theatrical screenings (in other words, real, public, commercial
screenings, not private events for friends and relatives) of
the first version of Shadows that Cassavetes approved
and conducted before the first version was lost on the subway
car. (Of course
he couldn't conduct any more after the film was lost.) There
is no doubt whatsoever that these screenings took place. I
have tracked down every detail about them: the advertising,
the box office ticket sales records, the attendance figures,
and the rental payments made to Cassavetes. I have in my possession
the documentation approving the screenings and naming the payment
terms with signatures on it. And Gena Rowlands has knowledge
that these screenings took place, because I myself sent the
information to her months ago, along with dozens of other pieces
of information about the early history of the first version.
But don't confuse her with the facts! She still denies there
was a "first version"—let alone that Cassavetes
ever allowed it to be screened for the public!
summary: Ruban and Rowlands are wrong, wrong, wrong. As the
above statement by Cassavetes establishes, he was not opposed
to screenings of the first version of Shadows. And as
the screening records in my possession establish, he actually
did hold public
screenings of the first version. For what it's worth, he also
told me, near the end of his life, that he would love to have
the film found and screened again. He wished he knew where it
was. He wished it weren't lost. In short, ALL of the evidence
says the same thing. The filmmaker himself did NOT want
the first version destroyed, suppressed, or hidden away for no
one ever to see. (As Gena Rowlands and Al Ruban claim and as
they are having their lawyer attempt to do by seizing the print
from me and taking it out of circulation.)
we are going to play the rhetorical game that Rowlands has
begun, it would
be more accurate to say that SHE is ironically
enough the one who is "not honoring Cassavetes' wishes" and
that I am the one who is struggling against the lawyers to
defend his wishes. Cassavetes
himself said the first version could be shown. He rented
the first version
out for regular, public screenings. And now she wants to
fry me for doing what he himself endorsed and did, while
herself contravening his wishes.
to get back to where I began, the question at hand is where
does the quote that I have on the site, the quote that I have
transcribed above—the quote from Cassavetes saying that
he has no objection to the first version of Shadows being
from? Well, my answer follows. I've sent it to several different
people who have asked about it, but to avoid having to write
the same reply over and over again, I am posting the text of
my reply to one of the inquirers below. Where can you find
the statement by Cassavetes saying that he has no problem with
the first version of Shadows being shown? It's in an unexpected
place. Read the reply that follows to find out. I hope it gives
you a chuckle.
right. That statement by Cassavetes completely refutes
Rowlands's positions. I'm delighted to give
you the source. And you know the joke? You'll laugh when I
explain it. The quote is included in the Criterion box set!
It was my "Trojan horse." A little "Easter Egg" hidden
away on the disks, waiting to be found.
the back story: the box set's producer knew very little
I more or less worked out the contents
of the box set for her, which means all of the material eventually
included, plus a lot more that wasn't included. (Unfortunately,
some of the best stuff didn't make the cut thanks to good old
Al and Gena and Peter Becker.) Over a period of months I did
hundreds of hours of research and made dozens of recommendations
for supplementary material to be included with the disks. Among
many other things, I suggested the Cineastes de notre temps documentary (which I had one of the only copies of in America—and
which a few years before I had already suggested to Kiselyak
to use in his documentary) where Andre Labarthe interviews
Cassavetes about Faces. It's an interesting piece in itself,
but one of the reasons I thought it would be especially amusing
to include it was because around 42 minutes into it (just after
the point it switches from Faces' 1965 pre-release to
its 1968 post-release period, where John is sitting in a chair
a tie on) John starts talking about why he was unfairly
charged with "suppressing" the first version of Shadows.
Labarthe asks John something to the effect of: "Why did
you suppress the first version of Shadows? Why did you
refuse to make it available to all the people who wanted to
Why don't you want it to be seen?" And you can hear John's
answer with your own ears. It's the one I quote on the site.
He says he didn't suppress it, and that it can be shown any
time. He says he prefers the second version of the film, but
has nothing against screenings of the first.
as Criterion's scholarly advisor, I thought it would be a
great joke to have this on the release, since they were giving
me such a hard time about including the first version of Shadows.
And Criterion took my advice and included it, probably without
ever listening to the piece carefully enough to realize that
they were including something that refuted their own and Rowlands's
and Ruban's position on Shadows! I thought it would
be good for a laugh.
Even though Rowlands had my name removed from the box set, I
really truly was the scholarly advisor for everything that
went into it and that's what scholarly advisors are for: to
know the material inside and out, to make recommendations on
what to include and what not to include, and to make sure that
important information gets onto the disks. And that's what
I did. This is important information. I got it into the set.
Side issue: Does Peter Becker actually pay attention to what
his company is issuing? Don't answer that.....!
All best etceteras,
Uncredited "Scholarly Advisor" to the Criterion Box
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